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	<title>Comments on: Use Social Proof Chicklets&#8230; Or Not?</title>
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	<description>Internet Marketing blog by Lynn Terry with How-to, Tips, Reviews, Case Studies &#38; Ideas to help you succeed online. Known as the Voice of Integrity in IM...</description>
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		<title>By: Email Tracking</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-223585</link>
		<dc:creator>Email Tracking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I go with the view that if you are well above 100 readers, you will have no problem in displaying the stats.</description>
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		<title>By: Social Proof Tool Boosts Landing Page Conversion 32.4% - Email Marketing Tips by AWeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Proof Tool Boosts Landing Page Conversion 32.4% - Email Marketing Tips by AWeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] there were definitely others (both in the release post&#8217;s comments and on other blogs) who doubted the usefulness of such a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elijah</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-146120</link>
		<dc:creator>Elijah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valuable, unique content is king.  And this directly relates to the responsiveness of your subscribers.  It&#039;s a win-win situation.

I have always based my choice to subscribe or not on two important factors: The writing style and value of the posts, and the interactivity within the comments and community.

I learn just as much from the comments after a post as I do from the post itself.

Numbers schmumbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valuable, unique content is king.  And this directly relates to the responsiveness of your subscribers.  It&#8217;s a win-win situation.</p>
<p>I have always based my choice to subscribe or not on two important factors: The writing style and value of the posts, and the interactivity within the comments and community.</p>
<p>I learn just as much from the comments after a post as I do from the post itself.</p>
<p>Numbers schmumbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan (new baby help guide almost ready)</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-146015</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan (new baby help guide almost ready)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pleasure ;-)

Just to add a short follow-up, I think you hit the nail on the head with the words &quot;social proof.&quot; If it really &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; proof, then it might mean something. If it&#039;s merely another number that may or may not be true, it means nothing.

But as we said, the ultimate point is the content. Make it good and they&#039;ll read it, even if they think they&#039;re alone!

Ta ra
Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure <img src='http://www.clicknewz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Just to add a short follow-up, I think you hit the nail on the head with the words &#8220;social proof.&#8221; If it really <b>is</b> proof, then it might mean something. If it&#8217;s merely another number that may or may not be true, it means nothing.</p>
<p>But as we said, the ultimate point is the content. Make it good and they&#8217;ll read it, even if they think they&#8217;re alone!</p>
<p>Ta ra<br />
Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-146014</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Alan - a very high compliment, and very much appreciated *smile*. That means A LOT to me.

I&#039;m glad you took the time to share your thoughts in detail, because this is such an important point for publishers and marketers. While social proof has its place, and can make a big difference in conversion rates, ultimately our readers and visitors care most about &lt;b&gt;what&#039;s in it for them&lt;/b&gt; - and that&#039;s something we need to keep in mind.

This is the reason copywriters will tell you to use words like &quot;you&quot; and &quot;us&quot; instead of &quot;my customers&quot; or &quot;hey everybody!&quot; etc.

Thanks again - great reminder on an all-important point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Alan &#8211; a very high compliment, and very much appreciated *smile*. That means A LOT to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you took the time to share your thoughts in detail, because this is such an important point for publishers and marketers. While social proof has its place, and can make a big difference in conversion rates, ultimately our readers and visitors care most about <b>what&#8217;s in it for them</b> &#8211; and that&#8217;s something we need to keep in mind.</p>
<p>This is the reason copywriters will tell you to use words like &#8220;you&#8221; and &#8220;us&#8221; instead of &#8220;my customers&#8221; or &#8220;hey everybody!&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>Thanks again &#8211; great reminder on an all-important point!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan (new baby help guide almost ready)</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-146003</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan (new baby help guide almost ready)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn,

As a reader/potential subscriber, I think I would treat those numbers with as much scepticism as I do any other numbers in the IM world, ie with a large bucket of salt!

It&#039;s too easy to fiddle them. I could set up a huge number of dummy accounts on my e-mail server in a matter of minutes (any number you like as it would be automated), then subscribe to the newsletter using each one of them and - hey presto - my readership just jumped up by a factor of ten thousand!

I&#039;m not saying that many people would do this, but given that the IM world is so competitive, and it often seems to be about who can claim the biggest numbers, I would be very sceptical about any numbers I saw.

Also, who cares? If a newsletter interests ME, then I don&#039;t really care if it interests others as well. Don&#039;t take this the wrong way, but I don&#039;t really care how many people read your blog. Its value to &lt;b&gt;ME&lt;/b&gt; is in the information &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; get out of it. It wouldn&#039;t diminish its value if I were the only person in the world reading it.

My only interest in your number of readers is that I want it to keep growing so you&#039;ll keep doing what you&#039;re doing. I&#039;ve learned a lot from you, and have picked up a little on the person behind the blog, so from that point of view I care how many people read, but I would keep reading even if that information weren&#039;t shown.

Just my 2c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn,</p>
<p>As a reader/potential subscriber, I think I would treat those numbers with as much scepticism as I do any other numbers in the IM world, ie with a large bucket of salt!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too easy to fiddle them. I could set up a huge number of dummy accounts on my e-mail server in a matter of minutes (any number you like as it would be automated), then subscribe to the newsletter using each one of them and &#8211; hey presto &#8211; my readership just jumped up by a factor of ten thousand!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that many people would do this, but given that the IM world is so competitive, and it often seems to be about who can claim the biggest numbers, I would be very sceptical about any numbers I saw.</p>
<p>Also, who cares? If a newsletter interests ME, then I don&#8217;t really care if it interests others as well. Don&#8217;t take this the wrong way, but I don&#8217;t really care how many people read your blog. Its value to <b>ME</b> is in the information <b>I</b> get out of it. It wouldn&#8217;t diminish its value if I were the only person in the world reading it.</p>
<p>My only interest in your number of readers is that I want it to keep growing so you&#8217;ll keep doing what you&#8217;re doing. I&#8217;ve learned a lot from you, and have picked up a little on the person behind the blog, so from that point of view I care how many people read, but I would keep reading even if that information weren&#8217;t shown.</p>
<p>Just my 2c</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-145876</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see you again, Miles :) If you DO decide to split-test it, you&#039;ll have to let us know which wins out in the end!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see you again, Miles <img src='http://www.clicknewz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  If you DO decide to split-test it, you&#8217;ll have to let us know which wins out in the end!</p>
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		<title>By: Miles Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Split test it to see what gets me more subscribers.  That will be my answer on whether I will use it or not. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Split test it to see what gets me more subscribers.  That will be my answer on whether I will use it or not. <img src='http://www.clicknewz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-145805</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More great points - I definitely agree, Scott. I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not alone in looking at this new chicklet feature with a little skepticism...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More great points &#8211; I definitely agree, Scott. I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not alone in looking at this new chicklet feature with a little skepticism&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Tousignant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Tousignant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made a point in one of your comments Lynn about segmented lists.  I&#039;ve got many segmented lists with 3 of them that I do most of my marketing too.  

All of them are for the fitness niche, but I segment them for different topics, and male and female audiences.

My 3 major lists total 15,000, which to some marketers may seem big and to others puny.

I always hate when I&#039;m asked &quot;What&#039;s the size of your list?&quot;  The question should be, &quot;How responsive is your list?&quot;

I&#039;ve won affiliate contests and placed in the top 3 of affiliate contests when I&#039;ve been up against people who have 10 times the size of list that I do.

Half the time I don&#039;t even have to send out an email, I just have to post something on my blog and I beat bigger marketers out.

I can&#039;t say that I&#039;m a fan of the idea.  I&#039;ve never been influenced by those numbers in the sidebar.

Something that I do like to see is the widgets for mybloglog or ning communities with pictures of actual people.  That&#039;s more community like, rather than just numbers. 

The ning widgets are especially effective in my opinion because those people took the time to sign up, create a profile and are actively participating, usually all without incentive to sign up like you would with a squeeze page.  That means more to me than just subscribing to a list.

Plus, if I had a very large list, I wouldn&#039;t want to get hounded by people who want me to promote their stuff.  It&#039;s bad enough as it is.

I&#039;d rather people contact me because they feel that our products compliment each other and form some sort of strategic partnership.

Thanks for another intriguing topic Lynn.

Scott Tousignant
http://uflaffiliatecontest.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made a point in one of your comments Lynn about segmented lists.  I&#8217;ve got many segmented lists with 3 of them that I do most of my marketing too.  </p>
<p>All of them are for the fitness niche, but I segment them for different topics, and male and female audiences.</p>
<p>My 3 major lists total 15,000, which to some marketers may seem big and to others puny.</p>
<p>I always hate when I&#8217;m asked &#8220;What&#8217;s the size of your list?&#8221;  The question should be, &#8220;How responsive is your list?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve won affiliate contests and placed in the top 3 of affiliate contests when I&#8217;ve been up against people who have 10 times the size of list that I do.</p>
<p>Half the time I don&#8217;t even have to send out an email, I just have to post something on my blog and I beat bigger marketers out.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m a fan of the idea.  I&#8217;ve never been influenced by those numbers in the sidebar.</p>
<p>Something that I do like to see is the widgets for mybloglog or ning communities with pictures of actual people.  That&#8217;s more community like, rather than just numbers. </p>
<p>The ning widgets are especially effective in my opinion because those people took the time to sign up, create a profile and are actively participating, usually all without incentive to sign up like you would with a squeeze page.  That means more to me than just subscribing to a list.</p>
<p>Plus, if I had a very large list, I wouldn&#8217;t want to get hounded by people who want me to promote their stuff.  It&#8217;s bad enough as it is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather people contact me because they feel that our products compliment each other and form some sort of strategic partnership.</p>
<p>Thanks for another intriguing topic Lynn.</p>
<p>Scott Tousignant<br />
<a href="http://uflaffiliatecontest.blogspot.com" >http://uflaffiliatecontest.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I suspected. The readers graphic is a fake:

http://tinyurl.com/5kdx66

One thing, I would never show my email list subscriber numbers as a chicklet even if I had a huge list.

I don&#039;t know but to me that seems a bit more of a privacy issue.

Folks who subscribe to your RSS via FeedBurner are basically doing it anonymously than those folks who are giving you their name and email address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I suspected. The readers graphic is a fake:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5kdx66" >http://tinyurl.com/5kdx66</a></p>
<p>One thing, I would never show my email list subscriber numbers as a chicklet even if I had a huge list.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know but to me that seems a bit more of a privacy issue.</p>
<p>Folks who subscribe to your RSS via FeedBurner are basically doing it anonymously than those folks who are giving you their name and email address.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-145784</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhh - Fake social proof! :shock: LOL That&#039;s shady... and I never would have thought of it. I would venture to guess most visitors wouldnt question it either. Terrible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhh &#8211; Fake social proof! <img src='http://www.clicknewz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' />  LOL That&#8217;s shady&#8230; and I never would have thought of it. I would venture to guess most visitors wouldnt question it either. Terrible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many folks are upping their numbers by using graphics?

I mention this because I have a new blog for my ebay niche stores project and the count says I have 28,259 readers. There is no way that&#039;s right on a one month blog.

I&#039;m suspecting the WP theme I&#039;m using is using a graphic with that number on it. I need to check on that. Since I didn&#039;t activate it from my FeedBurner account so I think it&#039;s just a fake graphic made to look like the real thing.

But I agree with the others, I would only share once I have around 100 readers . 10 or 15 readers don&#039;t provide the social proof folks want (IMHO).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many folks are upping their numbers by using graphics?</p>
<p>I mention this because I have a new blog for my ebay niche stores project and the count says I have 28,259 readers. There is no way that&#8217;s right on a one month blog.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m suspecting the WP theme I&#8217;m using is using a graphic with that number on it. I need to check on that. Since I didn&#8217;t activate it from my FeedBurner account so I think it&#8217;s just a fake graphic made to look like the real thing.</p>
<p>But I agree with the others, I would only share once I have around 100 readers . 10 or 15 readers don&#8217;t provide the social proof folks want (IMHO).</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I have heard some complaints about already is that it reads &quot;x &lt;i&gt;readers&lt;/i&gt;&quot; instead of &quot;subscribers&quot; - and that this might be confusing since it in no way reflects the total number of people reading that web page or the content at that site in general.

Or that there may be multiple mailing lists on a site, and the chicklet doesnt reflect the total number of combined subscribers - but only the number for any individual list. This could be an issue for publishers that micro-segment their lists, and then mail multiple lists at once (a common practice in email marketing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I have heard some complaints about already is that it reads &#8220;x <i>readers</i>&#8221; instead of &#8220;subscribers&#8221; &#8211; and that this might be confusing since it in no way reflects the total number of people reading that web page or the content at that site in general.</p>
<p>Or that there may be multiple mailing lists on a site, and the chicklet doesnt reflect the total number of combined subscribers &#8211; but only the number for any individual list. This could be an issue for publishers that micro-segment their lists, and then mail multiple lists at once (a common practice in email marketing).</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.clicknewz.com/1617/aweber-social-proof-chicklets/comment-page-1/#comment-145756</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thought from the publishers side - excellent. I&#039;m curious though if there is a number you might reach where you feel it would be beneficial to share that number publicly - with your readers, partners... or &quot;competitors&quot;?

I know I shared my thoughts with you on list-building earlier this week, and we discussed it during the Brainstorming Hour as well. But from the publishers end, the numbers should never affect the relationship you have with your subscribers. Whether there are 9 or 9,000 people subscribed to your list, you have to treat them the same.

When I first started publishing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.selfstartersweeklytips.com/&quot;&gt;Self-Starters Weekly Tips&lt;/a&gt;, I had planned to publish on Monday mornings. The first Monday I had 9 subscribers so I thought &lt;i&gt;well, maybe I&#039;ll wait until next Monday to send out the first issue...&lt;/i&gt;

And then it hit me - none of those 9 people knew they were only one of 9. And each one of them expected to receive the tips on the first Monday they subscribed. It was then that I realized that every email I sent was sent specifically to an individual subscriber - not to &quot;a number&quot; - and I have written to my list in that same manner ever since...

Given this new option, I couldnt help but wonder if it would have made a difference to those 9 people to know that there were only 8 other people reading the same email. I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought from the publishers side &#8211; excellent. I&#8217;m curious though if there is a number you might reach where you feel it would be beneficial to share that number publicly &#8211; with your readers, partners&#8230; or &#8220;competitors&#8221;?</p>
<p>I know I shared my thoughts with you on list-building earlier this week, and we discussed it during the Brainstorming Hour as well. But from the publishers end, the numbers should never affect the relationship you have with your subscribers. Whether there are 9 or 9,000 people subscribed to your list, you have to treat them the same.</p>
<p>When I first started publishing <a href="http://www.selfstartersweeklytips.com/">Self-Starters Weekly Tips</a>, I had planned to publish on Monday mornings. The first Monday I had 9 subscribers so I thought <i>well, maybe I&#8217;ll wait until next Monday to send out the first issue&#8230;</i></p>
<p>And then it hit me &#8211; none of those 9 people knew they were only one of 9. And each one of them expected to receive the tips on the first Monday they subscribed. It was then that I realized that every email I sent was sent specifically to an individual subscriber &#8211; not to &#8220;a number&#8221; &#8211; and I have written to my list in that same manner ever since&#8230;</p>
<p>Given this new option, I couldnt help but wonder if it would have made a difference to those 9 people to know that there were only 8 other people reading the same email. I think not.</p>
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