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I did the 30DC and in that they advised using traffic bug to automatically send out links so that you have a large backlink list. When reading Google's guidelines, it states that using schemes to increase backlinks that are not real is a no no.
Does anyone use Traffic bug or some other program to automatically send out link requests? I got slapped once from Google for being stupid and I don't want to do it again.
Nope... :cool:
Stephen
Didn't the Traffic Bug guy say something about that in his 30DC video, vaguely remember something about it "being different" with Traffic Bug.
Not sure though.
Lynn, please keep the essays to a minimum :D
Leigh
Is it very obvious when I'm biting my tongue?
I can't find a smiley for that! :rolleyes:
Thanks Lynne, you answered my question
This raises a tough question in my mind that alot of newbies really struggle with, Who to listen to and trust. I have spent alot of time "chasing the shiny penny" trying to find the right person to trust. I tried to do the 30dc last year but in Feb 09 not Aug. I quickly got frustrated and confused and quit on day 17 ish when I couldn't figure out how to put an ad in the blog for the affiliate product. I came to find out in Jul, that the free blog that I set up had been Google slapped in Dec and that is why I wasn't getting any traffic. I watched every video this year but did not attempt the challenge. However, I do believe that Ed Dale is an honest and forthright person and is not trying to lead people astray. He and Lynn apparently disagree about Traffic Bug and for a newbie this is a very tough thing to see. How do I make a decision in this case with little experience to help me??
The question was asked: does anyone use this program or one like it. And my answer was No. That's all.
There are a lot of ways to make money online. There are one-off methods, short term methods, black hat, white hat, grey hat, you name it.
The purpose of the 30DC is to help people make their first dollar online. It says nothing of a promise that this is building a long-term business model. In order to achieve these results in 30 days, short-term methods must be used. They may or may not be meant to last (and I haven't read the description so I don't know what it says on that end) - but one of the big perks is that it conditions people to get in the habit of consistently working on an online business. It gets people motivated to see fast results. It gets them in a routine of learning and taking action.
I do not teach short-term or one-off methods because I don't want someone to find false faith and quit their day job over a great month or two... only to later find themselves broke and without a back-up plan. That is the reason I stick to long-term solid business models with no "slaps" or potential penalties.
That doesn't mean I don't use some of these methods myself from time to time. Certainly not on my "money sites" or sites with my name on them even. But hot markets under a pen name - sure. I just don't teach or recommend it for the reason I stated above.
I lost a revenue stream to the tune of ~$40k/year in a slap several years ago. Fortunately for me it was a side project and did not tank me. But the people reading along here, or at my newsletter & blog, are not in that position. So if/when I mention such methods I mention it along with the warnings.
I hope that helps.
p.s. Ed and I may not agree one every little thing, but I do like the guy...
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This is very interesting because having listened to this years 30dc, I was under the impression that they were teaching business building techniques that they use every day in their business. Ed mentions a number of times that he wants people in the 30dc to build long term lasting businesses. Its absolutely true that the result they desire in 30 days is to make your first dollar, essentially testing a market to see if it is viable. However, there is clearly an intent to monetize what you have done using your own product. This is what Ed is selling in the 30dc plus, and I assume there is a further goal to get people to Immediate Edge eventually. So my take away is that these tools that they are proposing are every day tools they expect people to use in their business not just short term methods. That is why newbies must be so frustrating to experienced marketers :). I do like your philosophy of building a long term business model that avoids google slaps et al. That makes so much sense for everyone starting out. The problem for me is knowing what that is? Why would I question something Ed proposes, I have no reason not to trust him and not enough experience to even know what tools might or might not endanger my sites in the future. In fact, that is the purpose of wanting to have a gameplan, to flesh out all of these issues in my own mind and make sure the path I decide to go down will result in success. Thanks for putting up with my newbieness Lynn :))
You know far more than I do about it. My disclaimer is this: I have never participated in the 30 Day Challenge. I am not a member of 30DCPlus or Immediate Edge.
Every successful internet marketer has their own set of tools and methods, or preferred strategies. What works for Ed, works for Ed. My methods work for me. There's more than one way to skin a cat as they say.
I'm more cautious after my personal experience with the Google Slap, and am a conservative person by nature.
In the end, you have to decide what's right for you - in regards to what you enjoy, how you want to spend your day, what fits best with YOUR business model and YOUR long term objectives.
See, even that is a lesson that most others do not give. There is so much "one size fits all," "just follow my plan," stuff out there. I agree with Tom, it is hard to know how to proceed for us newbies.
I want to build something that is long lasting and is of benefit to others. I also want something that gives me a decent income. I don't have the resources or the desire to make major mistakes like getting Google slapped and having my site buried. That's why I like this site, but even here it's hard to tell who knows what they are talking about and who is trying to puff their own ego and claim more than they are.
Thanks Tom for getting this thread going. I love the straight talk!
I realized that I might be a little insulting to folks on this forum. I don't mean to be when I say that it's hard to know who to trust, even here. It's just that after having been burned a couple of times, I begin to put up my skeptic shield pretty fast.
No worries - this is one place where you can 'talk straight' ;)
There is no one-size-fits-all plan. Period.
Another lesson to be culled out of this thread - you can't study or absorb everything. Or at least I can't. I have to stay focused on my own business and there are only so many hours in a day.
I would LOVE to be able to spend an entire month studying the 30-day challenge inside and out - for more than one reason. Unfortunately I was traveling twice in August and teaching at a workshop, so it just wasn't possible.
Do you research - but don't get stuck in the learning phase. Pick something and take action on it. Follow your gut feeling, ask around, figure out who's who for yourself, but keep moving forward...
And if you have a question about someone on THIS forum or something that was said, even me, feel free to ask me. You can private message me if you prefer.
Curiosity crawled into my head last night and I had to go sign up for the free 11 day trial of Traffic Bug to see what it was all about.
I haven't watched all the training videos, but as far as the "bookmarking" goes it all seems to go to a rotated set of main accounts, not your own personal account. However, this is a setting to add your personal account login details if you want to.
This seems like a smart idea since a lot of those places don't like you promoting yoruself. But, My concern there would be what happens if just a small handful of links, say 3, that are of a "distasteful quality" come through and get that social bookmarking account banned, blocked, and deleted. Then your links go with it, so was it really worth it?