The Biggest Webinar in IM History / Perry Belcher

[Lynn Terry]

No, this one was titled as I linked to it in the original post in this thread.

One of the more memorable comments was where Mike Young said something about islamic law & punishment, and that at least con artists would type slower with less fingers - something along those lines.

It discussed Perry's history of charges for fraud, why he worked under the umbrella of Ryan Deiss' company, who owned what, income claims, false scarcity, etc. I could kick myself for refreshing the page - otherwise I could have saved a copy.

Perry's history is no secret. He references it himself. This article was just particularly interesting - and even more so when it did the disappearing act!

[KarenMcG]

No, this one was titled as I linked to it in the original post in this thread.

One of the more memorable comments was where Mike Young said something about islamic law & punishment, and that at least con artists would type slower with less fingers - something along those lines.

It discussed Perry's history of charges for fraud, why he worked under the umbrella of Ryan Deiss' company, who owned what, income claims, false scarcity, etc. I could kick myself for refreshing the page - otherwise I could have saved a copy.

Perry's history is no secret. He references it himself. This article was just particularly interesting - and even more so when it did the disappearing act!

Thanks for the additional information.

YOWZA!

[Lynn Terry]

Another interesting post - again, interesting comments as well (over a year old):

http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2008/04/1...rnet-marketer/

[lisamariemary]

One of the more memorable comments was where Mike Young said something about islamic law & punishment, and that at least con artists would type slower with less fingers - something along those lines.

Well, geez, that really sounds like the Salty Droid!! I'm thinking more and more that Mike (or a buddy of his) really is behind that character!

[Lynn Terry]

For the record, I dont know Perry Belcher personally. I am not his affiliate, have never met him in person, and have never purchased any of his products. So all I really know is hearsay, Google results... and by watching a few of his videos (which are great).

Unfortunately, there are a lot of negative comments. On the post I just linked to above ^^ there were comments of issues with affiliate payout. On the post that got deleted, there were comments about his marketing ethics etc.

I know nothing about the quality of the high-ticket product he just put out. I've been told that it converted VERY well. I saw a lot of the "market leaders" promote it. And that's why I was curious if anyone here listened in, bought the product, and if so on either -what you thought of it...

[LisaWood]

I found this in Yahoo's cache. No comments, though.

Ryan Deiss: Is Perry Belcher His Employee? »

If you thought you’ve been buying info products from Perry Belcher this past year, perhaps you haven’t. I’m not talking about any ghost writing for “Get Money from Google” or “Social Media Money System.”

Instead, let’s deal with who owns what.

The domain names for the two products mentioned are both registered to Ryan Deiss (not Perry)…apparently as an individual. What’s the point of having corporations or limited liability companies if you’re not going to use them?

The business structure is somewhat interesting. Here’s a brief overview of what’s available from the public records.

* InfoMastery LLC is owned 100% by Touchstone Publishing, LLC (not Perry).
* Touchstone also owns 50% of Commonwealth Ventures LLC and Sharptrade Partners LLC.
* Ryan Deiss is President of both Touchstone and InfoMastery (not Perry).
* Commonwealth is controlled by Ryan Deiss and Nathan Hopkins (not Perry). Nathan Hopkins is the Managing Member.
* Sharptrade is controlled by Ryan Deiss and Jason Fielder (not Perry). Jason Fielder is the Managing Member.

Does Perry have an equity stake in InfoMastery?

If not, is he just an employee?

Or is he an independent contractor?

Is he simply a front man for Ryan Deiss? What’s the real deal?

Is Perry who he says he is (reformed criminal turned successful entrepreneur) or just another Sham Wow pitchman?

The tax and legal implications are intriguing.

[TraciKnoppe]

I had someone else I know via Twitter/Facebook ask me if I was attending the call. They sent me a link - I did sign up for the call, then realized it was the same night as another call I had, so I ultimately did not listen to Perry's.

That said, looks like I didn't miss much - or rather, I did, but nothing worthwhile.

This is what gets me, honestly - really ticks me off: when 'market leaders' promote someone with questionable integrity and ethics: just for the money.

His call center tactics alone would put him in the unethical category by my standards. You don't use those tactics on your customers, or potential customers - and you can't tell me Perry doesn't know they're doing that. Come on - he knows!

But to have all this other negative stuff about him, and he admits it, the guy is not someone I would personally choose to align myself with. I don't care if he could poop out golden eggs, there are more important things than money. Integrity being one of them.

It's sad to see other market leaders following the money trail. He may very well know his stuff - but at what cost and to whom?

[Lynn Terry]

That's the post, Lisa

It's a shame the comments weren't in tact...

Thank you for the paste!

[nar321]

http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2008/04/1...rnet-marketer/ So now even SSWT shortens links. The hyperlink deals with the arrest of Perry Belcher.

[pschlegel]

In case anyone never noticed, the IM industry is one of the weirdest industries ever. LOL.

I think the best advice I ever got was from a friend who told me "ideas are where you find them."

There are definitely people I've learned great stuff from in the internet marketing field that I wouldn't necessarily trust on a personal level.

If people are calling Lynn a terrorist I'd hate to think about what they're calling me. LOL.

Of course I'm really wondering why the post was taken down. i.e., was a C&D sent. Oh well. Guess we'll never know.